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pondering about my japanese pronounciation again.

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so i mentioned the prnounciation as in the sounds and the intonation but there’s the tongue-rollin’!

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i think i might have mentioned this before … i cannot roll my r’s . the r’s that the spanish-speaking people roll, the japanese people that fight and argue. koreans can’t roll their r’s right? i mean i’m sure there’s some who can but it’s not really necessary in korean… they don’t have that much r sounds compared to japanese. the r sound is so damn ubuiqtious in japanesse lol. not even the r vs l. i’m talking about r-sounds in succession and me tripping and fumbling everytime lol.

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I was thinking I have a hard time with rareru every time i read it lol. stuff like saserareru… the passive and the form that makes you do shit… they’re just hard? I think  the reason is because i can’t roll my r’s … or at least those 2 problems simultaneously exist for me . rarete is fine and okay to pronounce but rareru is hard lol. the reru is hard? it’s f’ed up every time. i sorta feel like my mouth is being lazy? or just not trying hard enough? or getting stuck like the car engine not starting and making that annoying song over and over? lol… you know how if you speak japanese and then you speak english you notice that you move your mouth a lot less with japanese so it makes me you irritated to speak english cause it requires more energy because the lazy in me/you is just so lazy. also my tongue is short… so maybe that’s a cause too but i ain’t getting no plastic surgery…

I have a feeling rolling my r’s will help with the reru part of the rareru that always f’s me up. i can say it if i say it slow but i read japanese fast so that’s not gonna work lol…  should i learn spanish while i’m at it? lol. i did learn it in high school of course and i got an A but i can’t speak worth shit and my listening comprehension is abysmal … or maybe just doing a regular ra-gyou pronounciation practice  will be enough. katsuzetsu renshuu or whatever they call it. google is my friend 🙂

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Rolling your r’s in jpaanese isn’t necessary depending on who you are. like i was watching kireonna juku (god tongue! awesome kickass show…) the dvd stuff since i found the one that came out this year HILARIOUS… the one where the girl does her kire test by going to her dressing room. hilarious shit.  i was noticing how there’s a lot kora and ora that you stick on at the end or beginning or whereever and of course the girl rolls her tongue.  i notice japanese peope  can roll their r’s very well.  They roll r’s when they’re angry and arguing ro whatever. so if you plan to never get angry in japanese i guess you don’t have to roll your r’s. if you really think you’re going to get your menaceness across without rolling your r’s YOU ARE MISTAKEN. rolling your r’s  are a must and a given when it comes to expressing  your pissiness and hatred/hostility towards the person.

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if you know of other instances that you roll your r’s besides expressing your anger/arguing, please let me know… it’ll give me more motivation to fix my japanese … at least the rareru. i know you can roll your r’s for fun too… there’s mad opportunities since japanese is just ladden with r-sounds.,. so besides that.

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一辺倒。。。。 lolz. eh i don’t blame him? i ran across this word a couple times and im’ sure if i didn’ tput it into anki i wouldn’t know either. it’s a useful word for criticizing people you know justin bieber… etc etc talentless losers. in case any believers come up in here go watch dada la by ladies code and then tell me he has talent……..

Secret Garden UPDATE

Yes it’s been months and I’ve finally seen episode 6. and yes this is where the fun begins. Episode 6 is the episode I watched with the least fast-forwarding in fact I watched like the whole thing? Wait Iskipped a scene or two with people that i don’t care about…. you know those old people… over 40 or 50 lol.

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Well the acting is good. If the acting was crap the drama would be ruined… it wouldn’t be funny at all. I’m sure or at least it seems like both actors really put in a lot of effort. even if you don’t understand korean I’m sure you can tell what they’re doing with their voices and obviously even if you don’t understand you can tell with their facial expressions that the acting is top-notch.  I didn’t see the last part of episode 5  so i have no idea happened. I’mm gonna go back and watch the episode 5 and then keep watching while it’s still fresh and fun. and then if it gets boring then I gues si’ll through the lines of episode 6 especialy in particular and find out what was said… what i didn’t catch etc etc.

There were also bloopers at the end of ep 6 which were fun to watch except i couldn’t catch some of the stuff being said like the talking in the background.

Recently I estimated the number of words i learned over the sumer for korean  since ihvae paper cards so i have estimate otherwise it’s a waste of tim.e it’s like almost 600 so I want to do monoligual once i hit 2000. this is because i personally feel that korean has more words/vocab etc that is used in daily conversation… it must be at least twice the amount for japanese  (khatz said monoligual when you hit 1000 cards which i’ll just take in as 1000 cards for japanese = 2000 cards at lesat for korean). Somebody tell me if i’m just deranged and confused but i seriously do believe that japanse is easier because the daily conversation just really involves a lot of vague language and all that stuff... while in korean they don’t. they describe they want to say in all the details and facets and nuance.

I think I’ll give tofuguben’s shadowing method a try. just the shadowing part not every single step cause i don’t personally believe in it. It seems fun and like I said I skip any scene with old people lol… you know anyone i don’t care about and so I would only shadow scenes of interest either before looking up words or after because you don’t need to read kanji with erratic readings with korean.  🙂 I think it’ll help remember the words the conjugation/ sentence structure etc etc. I think more so with korean than japanese. practice saying korean is more important because the verbn conjugations is realy logical and easy to learn if you teach your mouth/tongue.. notice i wrote say and not speak. because it’s hard to speak korean with the verb conjugation crap and my tongue always just goes opposite of what  i want to say you know like ㅗ instead of ㅜ for some reason so it’s just best just read what is correct.

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and reading in korean on the comp like websites doesnt really work for me becase i just start reading japanese crap or do youtube in japanese or english lol which all starts with me looking up something that i want to know. someboody give me an interestin’ korean site?

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and for fun I remembered the nihongo kentei shiken. ting.

I remember reading a wikipedia article on it and iwas surprised that some guy from kat-tun and thsese other japanese people have the highest level on that. it’s like really hard.

Link to 2 questions Igot right. (it this sheer luck? cause after that i kept getting crap wrong lol) I set it at 1 = hardest level, and keigo because i have no idea what’s correct for keigo sometimes. this is why i wouldn’t say i’m fluent in japanese or anything because I’m useless at talking to customers correctly if i was hired and working in ajapan. how do you know keigo? do people just learn from experience from what they hear/what they get said to them when they go to a store/movie theater and so forth. do they memorize it? I don’t get it. I just answered based on feeling so iknew like 2 of the choices are definitely wrong and all that stufff. I rememberd yet again that I still suck balls at japanese cause I don’t know keigo. I keep thinking i’m gonna read the articles online about the keigo but i keep forgetttttttting.

Link to the test click on the left side box

WAIT WAIT WAIT. I made a mistake.  The hard test that I was shocked that random talent people passed was the kanji test.  It’s called 日本漢字能力検定

nihon kanji nou ryoku kentei.

I was so surprised that those talent on tv actually got it. even level 2 is like really hard but anyways this is the level 1 thing which is like 6000 kanji and basically they’re like we’ll just test you on rare crap that no one will ever see or we used to use but no longer anymore. and obviously all the kanji readings you’ll be tested on…. will have no pattern… they’re just like pure memorization right? it is1-kyuu.

1級(大学・一般程度、対象漢字数5657字)
程度 常用漢字を含めて、約6000字の漢字の音・訓を理解し、文章の中で適切に使えるようにする。
領域―読むことと書くこと 常用漢字の音・訓を含めて、約6000字の漢字を読み、その大体が書ける。

  • 熟字訓当て字、対義語、類義語、同音・同訓異字などを理解すること
  • 典拠のある四字熟語を理解すること
  • 国字を書くこと(怺える、毟る など)
  • 地名・国名等の漢字表記(当て字の一種)を読むこと
  • 常用漢字体と旧字体との関連を知ること

領域―故事・諺 故事成語・諺を正しく理解する。
※約6000字の漢字は、JIS第二水準を目安とする。

ただし、上記の出題範囲のうち、平成14年度第3回からは、「地名・国名等の漢字表記(当て字の一種)を読むこと」と「常用漢字体と旧字体との関連 を知ること」に関する問題が出題されなくなった。一方、動植物名その他の熟字訓・当て字の読みを問う問題は依然として出題されている。

一般的には用いない難解な漢字や読みが多く出題される。

But seriously even if you read a lot of books i doubt you’ll encounter all that stuff… I would feel like most of te people who passed this probably just studied cause how else are you supposed to see these rare kanji. or are therebooks that are written for really smart people that i have yet to come across yet that has lots of weird kanji. i looked at example problems for 1kyuu and i knew the reading for like 1 or 2 kanji out of the 30. the rest i’ve nver seen ever lol.  I just personally see no point memorizing stuff just to get the 1kyuu or 2 kyuu and then just forget it…. it just seems like such a waste of time.  if it’s like you read lots of books and you’re at leevel of _kyuu and then you ge t it it’s fine. you’re just proving what you know. But seriously can you really encounter all the kanji in the 1kyuu just from reading ??? do you have to read mad jidai geki crap? meiji era crap? heian jidai crap? lol. seriously where the hell do you encounter that crap?

I tried taking the kanji test a wee-bit just to see where I stand with my self-educated japanese knowledge formed over the the past 4.5 years. It’s really more like 2.5 though cause for the first 2 years I wasn’t using effective methods… maybe it’s more like 3. just going by ACTUAL time with Japanese by seconds /minutes.

2級 高校卒業・大学・一般程度(1945字、他に人名用漢字)
so out of the readings . the first section I knew 18/30 for 100% sure. well for a couple I typed out what Iwould guess and then it was correct so I included those… it’s like I knew the onyomi read for both kanji but i’ve never seen that word so i wouldn’t know if the word was that conventional with the kanji it’s made out of.

3級 中学校卒業程度(1608字)
3kyuu-am i smarter than mdiddle schooler lol. so this is what middle schoolers, I’m going to guess 9th graders know… which is when middle schoolers graduate middle school.
28/30 for the first section! yays.

OMGS I realy need graduate from da japanese high school. lolz. I wonder how long it’ll take lolz.  I graduated middle school with flying hours in my 5 years j/kj/k which is more like 3 yeras or 2 years even to be honest.
18/30 is passing? or maybe it’s not. I’m too lazy to lookup.

I only took the first section of the mock test they have on the site. FYI seriously I defiitely know how to read more than 1945 kanji… I don’t know how many exactly it’s definitely 2000 something. AT LEAST.. I don’t think I hit 3000. It really depends on what they ask and sometimes I know the reading for onyami for both the kanji but for some reason when you put them together neither or those matter anymore or there’s some weird onten or whatevers.  to be honest sometimes you don’t know really need to know how to read it, you just need to know the meaning which you can tell form the 2 kanji.

But anyways I would never take either of those tests just because it’s a waste of my time.  and i don’t see myself going to japan or wokring gthere and i already my mention whole thing with keigo. you can’t work in japanese if you’re not gonna learn keigo. before isaid memorize but it’s more like learn because you have the analyze the wohle situation with who you’re tlaking to and if you’re inferior them or ont and all that crap lol or whether you’re tlaking about the person that you’re supposed to put above or a thing that’s associated with the person who’s superior to you cause apparently you don’t have to use keigo or some verb conjugation that makes it less direct for the thing associated with the person but there’s also the o/go thing but i’m sure they’re two different things you know the sonkeigo vs. KENJOUGo or somethin. what i just mentioned was one of the explanations to one of the answers of the quiz i took on that site.