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New strategy for Japanese

I’m gonna read Japanese out loud. I mean I’ve already done this in the the past just because I felt like it with lots of things.

But this time I just want to read/focus on keigo, shazaibun, hanseibun, owabibun… the exaamples of those as well as news articles. There’s more… basically anything I find stimulating to read (out of the usual/common japanese pattern) or want to emulate. IT obviously it’s gonna be more effective to read aloud then not. by effective, I don’t know what I mean.

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By emulating… I really like hearing keigo sometimes but i don’t hear it that much or that thouroughly through talk/variety shows as opposed to drama or even anime (depending on the setting and. all that) . Whenevre I hear or read the shazai bun… there’s certain patterns/words  that only come up in shazai bun or the hanseibun etc etc so whenver I hear it I feel really interested because there’s a chance i can learn  a word and i have no problem understanding it (ex I wouldn’t know if I should conjugate it let’s say suru to shi or shite … that shit is really arbitrary.. that was a really great wordplay btw.) but if i were to write one or say one.. I wouldn’t be able to do it just because I haven’t been exposed to that stuff  a lot nor taught it or tried to learn it.

I say read aloud just because I’ve accomplished a lot with my japanese as far as my reading capabilities are concerned so most likely I won’t have a problem reading it though if i do I can add it to my reading deck (a deck where I read the word and check that I know the meaning. I feel like the word isn’t even read sometime sjust because it’s like for this word the kanji is reading is this… ). Like I should take advatage of all the knowlege I’ve piled up in my head and read the japanese smoothly without rikai-chan and just enjoy the japanese flowing out of my mouth.

I feel like Japanese is worse than english with the irregularities as far as reading just because I feel like there will always be some word with some random reading or i have an idea what the reading will be most likely (like I’ll have anywhere from 2 contenders to 10 possiblities of a reading of some kanji compound words just because some kanji have mad readings or irregular readings….. or I won’ tknow if there is onten or not etc etc but you know what I won’t know for sure till I look it up or hear someone read it on the tv). If you disagree with me, obviously you haven’t read much japanese or need to go read moreeee…. seriously no matter how much I know as far as readings is concerned… I keep adding crap to my “reading deck” . If for some reason I stop adding to it dramatically after I hit a certain number of cards… i’ll let y’all know but I don’t see that happenin any time soooooon.

I’m just doing this cause it’s just fun (at least for now ) and I obviously cannot produce the keigo or the hanseibun or shazai or whatever enzetsu off the top of my head without mad mistakes and unnaturalness oozing. I really really aspire to the people that use keigo so beautifully 🙂 whatever that means. I really don’t know if this’ll enable me to be able to make more correct/refined fancy/keigo japanese since it’s sorta like shadowing and it is inputand sorta active… If anything I’ll at least be able to analyze it and notice the intricacies of that stuff better. Even IF I can’t output that crap myself, I just like hearing that kind of japanese in general. and i don’t know if it’ll get boring t o me but right now I feel REALLY Excited because I just never hear this kind of japanese that often unless something happens and people are apologizing on the japanese tube.  it never came to be I could just look it up and say it/read it myself and really get my input in for that kind of japaense.

I should’ve thought of this sooner. nuff said.

Oh and I also LOVEEEEEEEE hearing the the japanese on JIN…all the stuff say is so long with the keigo or that thing opposite of keigo where you lower yourself  and there’s a huge huge huge lack of gairaigo. ie the ENGIRSH just becaues it’s 1800s ❤ But you know there’es no point in me practicing saying the lines from that drama. it has no use in real life lol. you’d probably get just as many eyerolls as the anime otaku people do in america that love saying kawaiiiiiiiiii with american english accented touch. you jcan’t talk like a prostitute from edo jidai or sakamoto ryouma  just because you want to… people will find it annoying. 😦

Omg I found this site:

http://www.proportal.jp/business/idx_owabi.htm

excited!

Secret Garden UPDATE

Yes it’s been months and I’ve finally seen episode 6. and yes this is where the fun begins. Episode 6 is the episode I watched with the least fast-forwarding in fact I watched like the whole thing? Wait Iskipped a scene or two with people that i don’t care about…. you know those old people… over 40 or 50 lol.

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Well the acting is good. If the acting was crap the drama would be ruined… it wouldn’t be funny at all. I’m sure or at least it seems like both actors really put in a lot of effort. even if you don’t understand korean I’m sure you can tell what they’re doing with their voices and obviously even if you don’t understand you can tell with their facial expressions that the acting is top-notch.  I didn’t see the last part of episode 5  so i have no idea happened. I’mm gonna go back and watch the episode 5 and then keep watching while it’s still fresh and fun. and then if it gets boring then I gues si’ll through the lines of episode 6 especialy in particular and find out what was said… what i didn’t catch etc etc.

There were also bloopers at the end of ep 6 which were fun to watch except i couldn’t catch some of the stuff being said like the talking in the background.

Recently I estimated the number of words i learned over the sumer for korean  since ihvae paper cards so i have estimate otherwise it’s a waste of tim.e it’s like almost 600 so I want to do monoligual once i hit 2000. this is because i personally feel that korean has more words/vocab etc that is used in daily conversation… it must be at least twice the amount for japanese  (khatz said monoligual when you hit 1000 cards which i’ll just take in as 1000 cards for japanese = 2000 cards at lesat for korean). Somebody tell me if i’m just deranged and confused but i seriously do believe that japanse is easier because the daily conversation just really involves a lot of vague language and all that stuff... while in korean they don’t. they describe they want to say in all the details and facets and nuance.

I think I’ll give tofuguben’s shadowing method a try. just the shadowing part not every single step cause i don’t personally believe in it. It seems fun and like I said I skip any scene with old people lol… you know anyone i don’t care about and so I would only shadow scenes of interest either before looking up words or after because you don’t need to read kanji with erratic readings with korean.  🙂 I think it’ll help remember the words the conjugation/ sentence structure etc etc. I think more so with korean than japanese. practice saying korean is more important because the verbn conjugations is realy logical and easy to learn if you teach your mouth/tongue.. notice i wrote say and not speak. because it’s hard to speak korean with the verb conjugation crap and my tongue always just goes opposite of what  i want to say you know like ㅗ instead of ㅜ for some reason so it’s just best just read what is correct.

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and reading in korean on the comp like websites doesnt really work for me becase i just start reading japanese crap or do youtube in japanese or english lol which all starts with me looking up something that i want to know. someboody give me an interestin’ korean site?

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and for fun I remembered the nihongo kentei shiken. ting.

I remember reading a wikipedia article on it and iwas surprised that some guy from kat-tun and thsese other japanese people have the highest level on that. it’s like really hard.

Link to 2 questions Igot right. (it this sheer luck? cause after that i kept getting crap wrong lol) I set it at 1 = hardest level, and keigo because i have no idea what’s correct for keigo sometimes. this is why i wouldn’t say i’m fluent in japanese or anything because I’m useless at talking to customers correctly if i was hired and working in ajapan. how do you know keigo? do people just learn from experience from what they hear/what they get said to them when they go to a store/movie theater and so forth. do they memorize it? I don’t get it. I just answered based on feeling so iknew like 2 of the choices are definitely wrong and all that stufff. I rememberd yet again that I still suck balls at japanese cause I don’t know keigo. I keep thinking i’m gonna read the articles online about the keigo but i keep forgetttttttting.

Link to the test click on the left side box

WAIT WAIT WAIT. I made a mistake.  The hard test that I was shocked that random talent people passed was the kanji test.  It’s called 日本漢字能力検定

nihon kanji nou ryoku kentei.

I was so surprised that those talent on tv actually got it. even level 2 is like really hard but anyways this is the level 1 thing which is like 6000 kanji and basically they’re like we’ll just test you on rare crap that no one will ever see or we used to use but no longer anymore. and obviously all the kanji readings you’ll be tested on…. will have no pattern… they’re just like pure memorization right? it is1-kyuu.

1級(大学・一般程度、対象漢字数5657字)
程度 常用漢字を含めて、約6000字の漢字の音・訓を理解し、文章の中で適切に使えるようにする。
領域―読むことと書くこと 常用漢字の音・訓を含めて、約6000字の漢字を読み、その大体が書ける。

  • 熟字訓当て字、対義語、類義語、同音・同訓異字などを理解すること
  • 典拠のある四字熟語を理解すること
  • 国字を書くこと(怺える、毟る など)
  • 地名・国名等の漢字表記(当て字の一種)を読むこと
  • 常用漢字体と旧字体との関連を知ること

領域―故事・諺 故事成語・諺を正しく理解する。
※約6000字の漢字は、JIS第二水準を目安とする。

ただし、上記の出題範囲のうち、平成14年度第3回からは、「地名・国名等の漢字表記(当て字の一種)を読むこと」と「常用漢字体と旧字体との関連 を知ること」に関する問題が出題されなくなった。一方、動植物名その他の熟字訓・当て字の読みを問う問題は依然として出題されている。

一般的には用いない難解な漢字や読みが多く出題される。

But seriously even if you read a lot of books i doubt you’ll encounter all that stuff… I would feel like most of te people who passed this probably just studied cause how else are you supposed to see these rare kanji. or are therebooks that are written for really smart people that i have yet to come across yet that has lots of weird kanji. i looked at example problems for 1kyuu and i knew the reading for like 1 or 2 kanji out of the 30. the rest i’ve nver seen ever lol.  I just personally see no point memorizing stuff just to get the 1kyuu or 2 kyuu and then just forget it…. it just seems like such a waste of time.  if it’s like you read lots of books and you’re at leevel of _kyuu and then you ge t it it’s fine. you’re just proving what you know. But seriously can you really encounter all the kanji in the 1kyuu just from reading ??? do you have to read mad jidai geki crap? meiji era crap? heian jidai crap? lol. seriously where the hell do you encounter that crap?

I tried taking the kanji test a wee-bit just to see where I stand with my self-educated japanese knowledge formed over the the past 4.5 years. It’s really more like 2.5 though cause for the first 2 years I wasn’t using effective methods… maybe it’s more like 3. just going by ACTUAL time with Japanese by seconds /minutes.

2級 高校卒業・大学・一般程度(1945字、他に人名用漢字)
so out of the readings . the first section I knew 18/30 for 100% sure. well for a couple I typed out what Iwould guess and then it was correct so I included those… it’s like I knew the onyomi read for both kanji but i’ve never seen that word so i wouldn’t know if the word was that conventional with the kanji it’s made out of.

3級 中学校卒業程度(1608字)
3kyuu-am i smarter than mdiddle schooler lol. so this is what middle schoolers, I’m going to guess 9th graders know… which is when middle schoolers graduate middle school.
28/30 for the first section! yays.

OMGS I realy need graduate from da japanese high school. lolz. I wonder how long it’ll take lolz.  I graduated middle school with flying hours in my 5 years j/kj/k which is more like 3 yeras or 2 years even to be honest.
18/30 is passing? or maybe it’s not. I’m too lazy to lookup.

I only took the first section of the mock test they have on the site. FYI seriously I defiitely know how to read more than 1945 kanji… I don’t know how many exactly it’s definitely 2000 something. AT LEAST.. I don’t think I hit 3000. It really depends on what they ask and sometimes I know the reading for onyami for both the kanji but for some reason when you put them together neither or those matter anymore or there’s some weird onten or whatevers.  to be honest sometimes you don’t know really need to know how to read it, you just need to know the meaning which you can tell form the 2 kanji.

But anyways I would never take either of those tests just because it’s a waste of my time.  and i don’t see myself going to japan or wokring gthere and i already my mention whole thing with keigo. you can’t work in japanese if you’re not gonna learn keigo. before isaid memorize but it’s more like learn because you have the analyze the wohle situation with who you’re tlaking to and if you’re inferior them or ont and all that crap lol or whether you’re tlaking about the person that you’re supposed to put above or a thing that’s associated with the person who’s superior to you cause apparently you don’t have to use keigo or some verb conjugation that makes it less direct for the thing associated with the person but there’s also the o/go thing but i’m sure they’re two different things you know the sonkeigo vs. KENJOUGo or somethin. what i just mentioned was one of the explanations to one of the answers of the quiz i took on that site.