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Pitch Accent

 

AP3hva.md.jpgI forgot to mention that I donated to dogen’s patreon page for 1 month in May to learn about pitch accent! It’s definitely worth more than $10 but I am frugal. For a person who has never bought a textbook for Japanese (tae kim is more than enough to get people started),  this is the only thing I spent money on to learn Japanese (I’ve spend a fair amount over the years on Japanese media like books, dvds, cds but they’re for entertainment first and foremost and their secondary function was learning! ). It made realize why I never noticed the pitch accent of certain words. I think he gave an example of an atamadaka word that changed to heiban because it was used in the middle of the sentence after a word that ended in some pitch accent ( I am on fuzzy on the details). I also realized that I did pick up on the pitch accent of some words from all my listening/watching Japanese media just because they say it the same way many many times ie 師匠 ししょう、 韓国 KANKOKU – korea is atamadaka without a doubt! It always left an impression on me how they always seemed to say kankoku forcefully lol. After watching dogen’s video series, I know that I definitely do not speak or read Japanese with perfect pitch accent but I still think my intonation is good.

AP3XX0.md.jpgI took notes in a notebook while watching and also downloaded the anki deck on the patreon page. I have not touched the anki deck lol and I have not touched the notebook since June. However, I definitely noticed pitch accent from then to now when I watched my Japanese shows ( I studied some of the patterns with the notebook by trying to say stuff aloud with the correct pitch accent). I think I’ll go back through some of his videos or some of the anki cards to get more stuff to notice. When I watched his videos in May, there were many instances where I couldn’t hear the pitch accent ie there was no way I could pass his tests.  When Dogen was saying “University is” with varying pitch accents, sometimes I could hear it, sometimes I thought I heard it, sometimes I knew I couldn’t tell the difference lol. Maybe I will try the tests again sometimes this year!  What I found really helpful for me was to try to say 2-syllable Japanese words in the 2 possible pitch accents: high to low and low to high.

also I’ve been meaning to look at these sites so I have more words/patterns to notice…

http://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/

http://accent.u-biq.org/a.html

https://www.sanseido-publ.co.jp/publ/dicts/daijirin_ac.html

https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/summary/kotoba/term/049.html –  months

https://www.edx.org/course/japanese-pronunciation-for-communication-0  <- this is free

<<- there are dl links in the video info.

Also I’ve been meaning to check out youtube vids in KOrean talking about Japanese pitch accent since knowing Korean doesn’t help with Japanese pitch accent or long-short vowels.

AP3GWM.md.jpgUnlike Dogen, I have no aspirations of sounding “perfect” as in get mistaken for a native-speaker which requires perfect pitch-accent and sounding like a Japanese woman. Also, I have no desire to buy a pitch accent dictionary. I do want to improve my pitch accent to sound more natural and hear Japanese even better (I have no problem understanding Japanese TV). Because I watched dogen’s vids and familiarized myself with pitch accent, I use the pitch accent plugin for anki (I put it there so I can reference it but I do not test myself on pitch accent).  Dogen even has videos on how to make the sounds of the Japanese language with the mouth/tongue positioning. I signed up for his patreon solely for his pitch accent videos but I still checked out some of the other vids on making the sounds of the Japanese language out of AP3x3q.md.jpgcuriosity in case I’m not making the sounds correctly since I share the same native language as him. There were moments where Dogen would make himself sounds very Japanese and then he would make himself sound like a Japanese man by changing a quality of his voice ever so slightly. Just when I thought he couldn’t sound more Japanese, he makes himself sound more Japanese! There are mind-blowing moments like that in his vids lol. He was not kidding when he said he was adamant about obtaining perfect Japanese pronunciation.

AP3wgD.md.jpgOn a related note I checked out the episode of ANOTHER SKY that featured JIYEON from KARA (now disbanded kpop group). She mentioned how tough it is to speak Japanese when she acts since pitch accent doesn’t exist in Korean (minus a certain dialect) and people would correct her over and over again. I remember a few years back she was on jigoku sensei nube playing a very japanese role and I saw a clip just to see the atrocity. It was the typical Korean person speaking unpleasant-sounding Japanese AP3yNA.md.jpgdue to lackluster intonation and pitch accent… She has definitely improved leaps and bounds since then. I also got interested in watching one of her movies for fun. It’s a movie with a tired plot that we’ve seen many times ie secret garden (korean drama), freaky friday. I was intrigued by the cast since I recognized people from talk/variety shows. That was the only reason I watched sanbun no ichi which featured Kosugi, danmitsu, and the guy from kat-tun. Also it was directed by shinagawa!

I also read an article on japanese buzzfeed ( I usually avoid this site like the plague because it’s click-bait whether it’s Japanese or English) a while back about this guy who moved from oosaka to tokyo as a kid and how AP3a9Q.md.jpghe had the toughest time trying to speak like the other kids. I got curious so I searched chiebukuro and this guy who spoke standard Japanese moved to somewhere in the Kansai-area and he was saying it took him years to perfect his pitch accent. He was saying how everyone kept telling him to stop speaking fake kansai-ben in the beginning since his pitch accent was off.

Also I recall seeing some Arashi show where they had arashi members say NANI YANEN and everyone sounded off. At the time I thought it was the intonation since I didn’t know better. They were really trying to say it like the kansai people but didn’t succeed. I thought someone might pull it off since I’m sure they’ve heard nani yanen hundreds if not thousands of times. I know they have no problem hearing/understanding kansai-ben since I don’t but speaking and understanding are 2 completely different skills.

OMG speaking of Kansai-ben I was so dumbfounded when I heard Seungri from BIG BANG talk on hanseikai a couple months back because he was speaking in kansai-ben. I found it especially ear-grating because I’m not used to hearing foreigners speak kansai-ben minus jero (the enka singer) who sounds amazing which is not surprising since he is an enka singer. I recall him talking about the pitch accent or intonation for disney sea on shindoumoto kyoudai. I’m used to foreign accents in standard japanese but not with kansai-ben so Seungri’s japanese sounded jarring. At first I thought he was joking around or something and waiting for ariyoshi to call him out on it. I read around and realized he decided to adapt the kansai-ben dialect over the standard japanese because he’s supposedly sanma-san’s apprentice and wants to become or is a geinin (comedian).  Maybe he is hanging around with a lot of kansai people in Japan? To me his kansai-ben sounds just like his standard Japanese except he said yanen or yakara instead of whatever people say in standard Japanese. In other words, his japanaese sounds worse when he speaks kansai-ben due to the incorrect intonation, and pitch accent.  When he does that with standard Japanese, it doesn’t bother me because I’m so used to hearing that kind of japanese from foreigners or kpop stars. I was wondering if kansai-ben people were irritated by his kansai-ben and googled but everyone seemed supportive of him. Maybe after he does his 2 years in the military and spends more time speaking Japanese, he may develop  better intonation?? I’m doubtful though because his standard Japanese speaking is the typical way Korean people speak Japanese when they ignore intonation/pitch accent or apply Korean intonation.  He would be so much better if he just worked on intonation and he just seems to have ingrained, bad habits that stem from him applying his way of speaking of Korean on top of Japanese. At the end of the day, Seungri has the right to learn Japanese however he wants and he doesn’t have to improve his intonation, pitch accent since people have no problem him understanding him when he talks. However, he would sound better if he did improve in those areas.

here’s manzai about funny Japanese.

I’ve been a fan of JARUJARU since like 2009 during the red carpet/theater show days~~ Here’s some random info: the guy on the right is named fukutoku and he actually lived in AMERICA until he was 7 or 9 or something then he went back to Japan. He forgot all his English but his oosaka-ben sounds flawless!  I know this because he told this story on some show about how as a kid he pronounced Z as Z while everyone  else was pronouncing it as ZETTO.

transcript:
http://geininn-netatyou.com/wp/manzai/jyarujyaru/jyaru/

damn I wish these sites were prevalent in 2009!

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Slayers NEXT!

link to lines/transcript/script from episode 1-26! 台本 セリフ 台詞 全台詞 全台詞 スレイヤーズ! 名言 名台詞 名セリフ Slayers japanese subtitles japanese transcript japanese lines on MEDIAFIRE ★ ♥  | ♡ evernote カワ(・∀・)イイ!! | .rar of gif and screenshots | SLAYERS TRY SUBTITLE FILES from korean dvds! I also posted them on kitsunekko, also revolution on kitsunekko but that season sucks | gif  + screencaps on tumblr  | evernote for slayers try| evernote for slayers revolution evernote for slayers evolution

FIRST THINGS FIRST this is my FAVORITE season of the slayers franchise and i HIGHLY RECOMMEND it. even if you find the first season just okay, check out slayers next because the story is soooooooooooo good and there’s new characters including new villains… I love these 2 bgm songs that are on slayers next sound bible III とめられない想い ❤
闇、無、あるいは混沌. I love the other songs alot too  but these 2 resonate with me and of course i can remember/picture the scenes. that’s what good bgm does.
you can really tell the staff put their all in when the bgm kicks ass! to be honest some of the bgm recycling in slayers try was like eh because it doesn’t match well sometimes… it simply matches slayers next because it was made for that not because it was first heard on slayers next. that’s one of my peeves about slayers revolution is that the bgm does not match the scene and the bgm is usually too GOOD for the scene. you’re only doing yourself a disservice by not watching slayers NEXT… after slayers.


i’ll write stuff i should’ve written about in my previous entry because i feel more compelled after  watching slayers next because it was so much fun watching it.
so i’m not a fan of fantasy. I have no interest in watching game of thrones, lord of the rings (books are unreadable to me lol. I HATE the writing style), twilight. i like haryr potter but the movies are extremely boring especially 3rd movie on. twilight: i read the first book and it was lame, never saw the movies. i hear that the acting is atrocious and the actress has huge eye bags so i wonder what she eats? but i think it might be LESS boring than the hunger games. i cannot comprehend why it’s popular or even liked in the least… it’s a god-awful movie from every aspect. In general with fantasy books I find them really boring and they do not interest me at all. i especially despise anything that involves elves since they’re mad ugly. something about fantsay books seem like such a chore to “learn/memorize” the “fantasy world” to follow what’s going on and whatnot. I remember I was attempting to read some fantasy book with an elf in it and there were different creatures or species so there were different languages and the author actually wrote out the sounds (WTF X 10)… point IS i found it to be excruciatingly stupid not to mention a COMPLETE CHORE to “remember” all the facts about the fantasy world. something about fantasy pisses me off. it’s like self-satisfaction for the author to think up whtaeer SUPER ELABORATE fantasy world with all the little details with languages and culture etc and expecting other people to to care lol. maybe that’s what separates fan-fiction and whatnot from real authors? or the shit fantasy from the good fantasy?
I think it’s interesting that a FANTASY made in japan succeeded since you’d expect  poeple from europe and whatnot “owning” that realm since it  technically originates from there? Slayers is just different. it’s cool and it’s beyond “i care” since it draws me in, and i follow it. I really really hate fantasy but this is one of those exceptions…. it’s like what i wrote before that it doesn’t matter what genre the anime is, if it’s done right it can enjoyed by somebody who hates that genre. I’m interestd in the novels to see how it ends there… apparently it’s the pioneer for light novel anime though nowadays i AVOID ANYTHING based on a light novel. it’s almost as bad as a japanese movie based on a CELLPHONE novel. no those girls that writ ecellphone novels are not smart or good at writing or have literary talent… they’re just idiots and hit it big by some luck because a bunch of idiots liked their easy to read, grammar-butchering keitai novels.

I realized after watching the slayers NEXT, how amazing the opening is. so i recommend watching the creditless opening after watching the show.

the voice-acting was off-the charts. I really loved the voice-acting of the character at the end of the series and i loved some of the line delivery given by xellos’s seiyuu.
I had a chance to listen to the korean dub a little bit because i thought this korean file had japanese subtitles which it i didn’t. so i don’t like the korean voices at all . it’s too cartoony and childish. it’s annoying. yes anime is anime aka cartoons and the characters don’t sound like normal people BUT it’s not THAT cartoony and childish sounding.

I love the animation so much with all the exaggerated animation and the random details etc. IT was expressive and i LOVED THE COLOR SCHEME. the last i think 2 episodes have a lot of movement and i’m so glad there was no CG back in those days….

This time when i googled lines i ACTUALLY Found PEOPLE who transcribed lines so this time around it is more thorough for some of the episodes (maybe even thorough enough to make the japanese .srt .ass subtitle file for some of them lol. if anyone wants to FEEL FREE!!!~) . i didin’t really find the sites that transcribed lines till episode 10- something…. so i did more copy+ pasting from those episodes. one or two of them were strange fan-fiction sites that literally transcribed the lines from the episode but then add in random shit because of some random character in their fan-fiction…. well i don’t mind as long you transcribed everything! 🙂 like always i pasted the definitions, explanations in japanese… some of the lines i couldn’t catch it made sense that i wasn’t able to catch it. it’s an anime so people talk STRANGE lol. that’s a fact!

I definitely like slayers NEXT more than SLAYERS though i definitely enjoyed both seasons. It’s so amazing how much they BUILT on the previous season with the characters, comedy, the story and the fantasy world. it’s a great improvement and build-up since the first season.  Slayers NEXT is so good and you can tell they’re never gonna pass that or maintain that… I’m sure there are fans who like slayers try more than slayers next etc etc but i think the majority consensus is that  slayers next is the best season. For me it’s SLAYERS NEXT > SLAYERS PLAIN > SLAYERS TRY for sure. Revolution was just eh and bleh and the animation was iffy to me in some ways… to give an example that tiger dude was like WTF and pokota is just no… but i hear for evolution they have NAMA so i’m interested for that but i shouldn’t have too much expectations. p.s. out of all the seiyuus  that reprised their roles i would say the ones that sounded the most off after 10 or so years would be zelgadiss ( I loved his voice in the first 3 seasons… but now it’s just… not zelgadiss lol.) then amelia. i read somewhere somebody said lina sounds like obahan which megumi hayashibara probably is by now… but i didn’t get that… lol.

 

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JAPANESE-WISE: I’M SURE lots can be said.

SLAYERS NEXT
something I noticed was  amelia started talking all princessy and girly and more polite when she got back to seiruun and then after they left she went back to talking normal lol. she was adding on -wa at the end of her talking which felt unnatural since up until that episode she didn’t. I think it’s all good that she talks properly while she’s in seiruun.

so i read this online somewhere when i was was searching about this iffy episode of slayers r ution (most of them are right? the last episode was hot hot mess especially if you analyze it not that you really even need to… realize that)

 

i also read that xellos refers to himeslf as boku but he refers to himself as watashi  when it comes to WORK ( at least a writer from slayers next had a tendency to do this) . I didn’t notice at lol…. when i was watching slayers next i was focusing on undersatnding and catching whatthey say and my imgae of xellos is that he says boku. it’s not unusual of xellos to say watashi if the occasion calls for it like he if he has to be formal if he’s in front of somebody really powerful or something but he doesn’t have to change to watsahi just becaues of that. that’s one reason for my wanting to wach slayers next again in the future to really notice that as well as anything i shoulda noticed. not sure when i will exactly.  i don’t like re-watching stuff soon after watching because it’s boring and i know what happens. i like to forget as much as possible but it’s so hard to forget things you really liked and enjoyed. yet for crap i force myself to sit through (I don’t do this now-a-days) I can’t remember anything about the show except it sucked balls… i won’t remember any or most of the scene or bgm or names even lol.

and as far as the blog that i read that off of, the preson was disappointed because xellos called himself watashi in that episode even though he’s usally boku. I felt sad with the blogger lol.???? episode 8 ibelieve??

as far as the spells and archaic japanese. I’ve gotten used to it a lot and looking it up/asking on chiebukuro has been good too. even though the language is archaic and i don’t necessarily ever have to talk like that, i do want to understand it and its nuances. understanding anime = fluency right?  If I ever want to write all archaic and fancy-pancy in a poem or something i have something to pull from… plus the stuff sounds really cool lol. from googling i noticed i would find ia variation of the spell i was hearing and that’s because they changed up the incantation in the anime either to shorten it or better the flow etc etc. though somebody in their blog was saying oh i wish they kept it like it is in the novel, i think it flowed better. it’s some part of one of the famous spells that has なる in the spell and it’s な in the light novel (I don’t shudder as i type light novel lol… because it’s slayers not those disgusting, long-ass title ones that come out now-a-days).

apparently lina said the spell wrong in slayers revolution!!  i don’t know if it’s wrong or if it was on purpose.