besides hiragana and katakana (by memorize I mean drilling how to write it. I learned the stroke order but I nevre made myself learn how to write it without looking at anything etc etc because i know it’s a waste of time and I should use that time to read more and then i’ll be able to write without looking at anything with ease.. I do not understand those weeaboo peple that are so obssessed with writing/speaking japanese when they don’t understand any or much japanese. i nevre understood it and they wonder why they suck at speaking. it’s like come on grow a brain) , I did not memorize iroha + abc order of hiragana. Iroha is japanese version of black dog jumped over lazy fox whateverghe hell thaT sentence is. I see the value of learning the abc order for English and Korean since they both have around 20 something letters (compared to 50 in japanese) and like using the dictionary and daily stuff… especially for Korean theres mad value since once you get consonant down when you’re searching the dictionary then you search for the vowel then the constant or vowel and maybe another consanant/vowel. It sounds difficult and complicated but what I’m saying is it’s faster using a paper Korean dictionary than paper English dictionary for this reason.
I think using a paper dictionary for japanese is a biggest waste of time ever especially because I know how an english/korean dictionary work. because 1 memorizing the order of the crap is a lot? i mean I just looked it up because I just assume it’s a e i o u because that’s how it is in spanish with at least saying the vowel sounds in order.
looking up it starts off as
a i u e o
ka ki ku ke ko
so basically i never meomrized this order. I used some kanji book before that didn’t really teach me as much as actual reading and heisig which listed the hiragana dnad katakana order in abc order on thejacket or whatever and so i’ve seen the order and i have some vague idea of if something is towards the front of the japanese abc order or not. I never went on to go on to try to memorize it or learn it or whatever because I see no value because looking up japanese is best electronically unless for some reason there’s some amazing paper dictioary that has words that google nor an electrical dictionary does not have. not only you gotta do the abc order with the 50 sounds, you also gotta deal with small tsu or small yo or dakuten, you also gotta deal with the damn homophones and there’s a chance if you’re looking up a word made up of 2 kanji with their onyomis combined there probably is a homophone so you gotta waste time skipping over homophones you don’t care about. Also online is so convenient with he various of settings of it starts with or u set it as it ends with or you search by the sound instead of the kanji or you set it as exact match and depending on the situation it’ll be easier to find out sanseido than yahoo jp doc.
so if memorzing the abc order is this useless why the hell would i memorize iroha. abc order is useful if you go a bookstore and you want to find the section for your author or title or whtaever in the shelves but i think that’s really minor my “general/blurred” knowledge of abc order is enough to guide me. at most maybe i know that it goes vowels -> k – sounds- > m sounds some sounds -> r-sounds> n lol.
I’ve actually heard them sorta recite the alphabet or maybe it wasn’t the alphabet because on the tv show they were trying to improve their enunciation or pronounciation or whatver so they can talk fast and clearly through all this news mumbo jumbo with all them kanji compound words like a newscaster BY saying weird stuff. it’s probably in the link on the side that says katsuzetsu in japanese
I’d rather learn babigo than learn the abc order of hiragana lol. my blurred/general GRASP is enough. I’ll struggle searching for the book in bookoff they probably won’t have anyway so who cares.