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Japanese Counters

Posted in Japanese, japanese learning by choronghi on November 13, 2016
So I recently “learned” /relearned 2 counters for Japanese which are Ittsui  and fusa.
ittsui is for stuff that comes in pairs like shoes and ear plugs.I’ve already encountered it before years ago and it’s buried in my anki deck but i didn’t actually know it until now.  just because it’s in my anki deck and i marked easy a bunch of times don’t mean i actually know it. I’m sure I knew it for like maybe 10 minutes a couple years ago then it got wiped from my memory.
So I was talking to myself in Japanese and thought hey is earplugs also counted as ittsui?  i googled it and it is🙂 I like “producing” then checking anything that could be wrong since most of the time it is correct!🙂 Another thing is the verb soguu. I was like hey does soguwanai work for this case and it did😀 sometimes a verb will have the same meaning as another verb like awanai in this case but that doesn’t mean they are interchangeable. when you produce that’s when you inadvertently use a word and you wonder hey is that correct? and then i can look it up and solidify my understanding of that word or grammar. It’s also exciting and confidence-building if you keep getting it right despite your creative ways to use the word though it may not actually be creative and it’s the case that i just don’t recall the exact instance where i heard it being used in that exact same way by a japanese person.
fusa is for counting bananas and possibly some other stuff but so far I’ve only come across the usage for bananas and that must be why it took me this long to come across this counter.
ex:  banana  WO Hitofusa
i only came across this because i read a book and no the banana did not play a central role in the story.  imagine if i read another book instead perhaps i would’v not come across this counter until next year. but if i had gone to japanese grocery store like if i lived in japan i would’ve known about it sooner…
I am adamantly opposed to rote memorization especially when it comes to counters. I recommend reading through it ON TAE KIM without trying to remember anything and be aware that japanese uses counters and then learn them as you encounter them. i see no point of drilling/ rote memorizing something you will forget. if you’re obsessed with production then just use ko for everything that requires encounters lol. when it comes down to it people will still understand you.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE: i used the word ochiiru as opposed to ochiru when i was talking to myself and i knew in that instance ochiru would not work and when i looked it up lo and be hold it is correct.
another example: i ‘ll do some grammar construction which may seem incorrect or at least i’m not 100% it is and it ends up being correct 😀

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  1. Korean Vitamin said, on November 18, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    「数え方単位辞典」によるとイヤホンの単位は「一個」だそうですよ。参照: http://www.sanabo.com/kazoekata/ct_a/i/earphone/ イヤホンを「一対」で数えるのって、どこから仕入れた情報ですか。I don’t see the point in cramming 単位, it’s not that important. Is it tested somewhere? You can learn about hitofusa, ippon, or hitoyama right on the spot when you buy banana.🙂

    • choronghi said, on November 18, 2016 at 3:29 pm

      I got it from google just like you. Unless you found a site that says that ittsui is wrong for earplugs imma assume it’s correct since it makes sense logically and there are sites that count it that way. I don’t cram it either and I’m sure they do somewhere. I don’t have Japanese market places and I already said I’d already know it if I went to a Japanese market.

    • choronghi said, on November 18, 2016 at 4:46 pm

      I got it from the same site as you

      http://www.sanabo.com/kazoekata/ct_ma/mi/mimisen/

      Earphones are one big thing so they’re definitely ittsui whether it’s the buds or the headphones

      • choronghi said, on November 18, 2016 at 4:47 pm

        Definitely not ittsui is what I meant

    • choronghi said, on November 18, 2016 at 5:00 pm

      By the way I don’t use earphones because I like to treat my ear right. On the other hand I use ear plugs very frequently


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