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WHY ARE YOU LEARNING JAPANESE?

Posted in Japanese, language learning by choronghi on January 25, 2013

https://i1.wp.com/imageshack.us/a/img39/5204/lollondon.PNGI think this question is dumb for several reasons…

before I go into that I’m just gonna paste something I looked up and put in my deck recently.

ライブmcで感極まるも
曲が流れ出した途端
テンションがmaxになる前田敦子

so guess what i looked up. It’s not the vocab, that’s for sureeee So I used yahoo dic and
set it to *に一致する bc that is the fastest way to search for it.

http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E3%82%82&dtype=0&dname=0na&stype=1&pagenum=1&index=18174500

so I looked up mo to see if the meaning changes if you use it this way as opposed to te + mo and it doesn’t lol. I get the nuance of ru mo vs te mo … it just sounds rumo compard to temo lol.

[接助]形容詞・形容詞型活用語の連用形、動詞・動詞型活用語の連体形に付く。逆接の意を表す。…とも。…ても。…けれども。「見た―見られない」「努力す―報われなかった」

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同じクラスになって
このかた*
会話らしい会話を一度もしたことがなかったぼくに

[名]過去のある時から現在に向かっての期間。それ以来。また、現在までのある年月の間。「生まれて―見たことがない」「三年―忘れたことがない」

I was like there’s no way kono kata means kono hito…

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for the main topic…. One reason is the UNKNOWN. So my attitude towards [any] language is what would i do for fun in that language if i was born in that country and only knew that language/culture my whole life… in other words I wouldn’t settle for x just b/c it’s really popular. I’d still search for the most entertaining/enlightening etc b/c eventually you’re gonna be bored after you force yourself to watch shit just b/c it’s popular etc etc.  ie if you only watched movies that won awards or tv shows that won awards chances are you will fall asleep during the movie (seriously… what’s wrong with them when i hear __ is nominated for the award thre’s a 90% chance it was nominated b.c. it was really long and boring OR 10% it was actually good. but in the end we all know it’s 100% rigged 🙂  )  or not laugh at the comedy show that won best comedy however many times.  sometimes the show deserves the award but usually it’s a lot of mediocre crap. Of course there’s differences in taste too that just b.c. x % of pop likes it doesn’t mean you’ll like it. OR MAYBE think the othre way, let’s say you were born in japan and only know japanese and then you started learning english via aeatt… how long would it take you to find/discover stuff that you like to do/watch/read/etc in english or whatever lanaguage right now. i would imagine it would take a while unless you only like popular/mainstream stuff. or you would fear you would never find out about the stuff you really like because it’s not really mainstream. also there’s a culture barrier so you might not find it funny or interesting even though you would if you were fluent in english and the culture….

So for Japanese/any language, for some of the stuff you can’t even tell if you like it or not till you understand Japanese/grasp japanese culture/etc.  OR there’s something you slightly like but end up loving once your japanese improves jjust b.c. of the comprehension. so you won’t know what you’re learning japanese for till you start learning japanese lol.  what i think is you’re learning japaense so you can do  something in japanese that is enjoyable b.c. that’s basically what you’re going to do with the language. ex. i don’t find japanese news interesting, i dont’ find news interesting period. thus, i do not watch news in english or japanese. sure some people might be like hey i want to be like khatz with the fluency so news is definitely one of the things i should check off so imma listen to japanese news 24/7 for x number of weeks/months. that sounds awful to me so i don’t do it. i used to do it sorta ( not 24/7 )  but now a days i do not bother with it… b/c/ even if i can undersatnd it 100% just from listening, it’s not like i’m going to keep listening to it. So a lot of the stuff I like in Japanese now-a-days I did not know about before I started learning Japanese. And even if I tried to explain to the me then I’m not sure I would be able to explain why i like it and what’s so interesting about it.   I’m not saying only study from books till you feel fluent till you dive into native media. that’s ridiculous. dive in whenever you want.    so I tihnk that question is dumb b.c. some stuff you can’t even tell whether you like it or not till you learn japanese and get used to japanese/culture etc. hell, some stuff/people I didn’tt even know existed that now if i go one week without seeing it, that’s one week with less laughs than if i had seen it.
ALSO before you learn japanese there might be some areas of japanese culture that you were probably sure you wouldnt’ touch witha 50 foot pole from your stereotyping/misconceptions/lack of understanding of japanese/culture/.  for me one is j-dramas and music to an extent. so I knew before I watched j-dramas that they were going to be cheesy/cringy/embarrassing/not as well made as american dramas with the budget/acting . so i only watched j-dramas for learning purposes at first since there’s a blog with the lines out and or there’ sjapanese sub up on d-addicts. it sure as hell makes more sense to do that then spending 20 dollars on some book with a cd with boring dialogues. And the first few j-dramas I watched did exactly what I expected with the melodramaness/cheapenss compared to american dramas etc etc. So what I did was try to not cringe during the said melodramatic scenes. what i should’ve done is fast-forwarded those scenes lol. BUT BUT BUT later on,  I found some really enjoyable j-dramas and even some really amazing ones as i wrote in my reviews. so I realized that j-drama does have something to offer me. I just have to search for it/ask for recommendations and avoid the crap. and YES there are Japanese actors/actresses who are amazing at acting, there are dramas where there’s crying but it isn’t melodramatic/etc etc… my preconceived notions have been disproven  in the few really good dramas i’ve seen. but some of the mediocre/average ones just… exude what i dont’ like about j-dramas.  speaking of j-dramas, i never thought i would ever EVER go near JIDAI GEKI. HISTORYICAL dramas. dun dundun . as of now i am like 99% sure i will never get into a historical korean drama b.c. i can’t stand korean dramas and i hate the beautification in the historic dramas… and it is just boring lol.  and melodramatic.  BUT JIN totally changed that.  I recommend it. i was totally weary of it b.c. i was like ugh… i see people in  kimonos or whatevs so it looks boring. the first ep was sorta boring but after  a couple eps i realized this drama is actually quite amazing and so-well done and very very enjoyable to watch.  it’s edgey! like madmen~~??

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music   to an extent just b/c/ i didn’t know much japanese music aside from music for the anime op/ed. there are some really good ones. japan has the #2 music market and it’s well-deserved!!! they have some amazing music. for the people that bitch omg japanaese music sucks.  I can’t find anything i like. chances are you’re not looking hard enough or not smart enough ORRRRRRR you are looking for something really specific that you can’t even find in english/etc.  I grew my love towards enka. of course at first i was like that shit is weird i dont’ think i’ll ever get into it. then i heard tsugaru kaiykyou and that is not true anymore…. Right now i have a shit load of japanes emusic to listen to (and it’s stuff I ACTUALLY LIKE, not “oh i’ll compromise and listen to this singer= even though i don’t like them b.c.  they got number one on the oricon charts”) so for the people who bitch about the lack of good music, search harder…….. i have no idea why you’re complaining about japanese music. there’s youtube, last.fm, etc etc. there’s no  reason to bitch about this!

BOOKS – okay so this is like for people more down the line but then again some books aren’t that hard to read and it’s not lke you have to undersatnd all the words on the page to undersatnd the story. but basically, you can’t tell what japaense books you like till you read them. even if you’re not that good at japanese… I feel like you can still tell if the writer’s writing style just isn’t working for you. I have read books by authors that make reading japanese so laboring, i’ve also read books by japanese authors who make the language sound so beautiful and easy to read. TREAT IT LIKE YOUR Native LANg’uage. there are some writing styles in english that i cannot stand or undersatnd (lol…. charles dickens anyone? huckleberry finn anyone?????)  or too hard (vocabulary of some authors are so ginormous) . it’s the same thing in english so don’t force yourself to reead a book by whoever if it’s not enjoyable/to your taste. you need to spend your time finding the author/writing style you love and devouring the stories written by those authors.

Here’s an example to illustrate my point

so if i’m  reading  a japanese book by an author that I do not like, we’re just not compatible… it feels really tiring and laborous and boring reading all the byousha 描写 description crap that’s between the dialogue. if my compatibility with the author is even WORSE the dialogue will even feel torturous to read. one time i was reading dialogue by this author i wasn’t compatible with and all the dialogue felt so loooong. it wasn’t that the sentences in the dialogue were long, it just felt like everyone was talking in the most inefficient way possible. lol. or the dialogue feels fake or really shallow (trivial, pointless, etc etc). I’m not bitching about reading japanese that is super difficult. though japanese ficition isn’t that hard.  I’m just reacting/treating this like i’m reading a book in general, like i’m reading a book in english. so usually what i do is, i just read the dialogue parts b.c. like I said I don’t find the byousha part interesting and it’s not going to enter my brain since it’s not enjoyable to read/i don’t find it particularly well written or conveyed etc etc. but I feel like you should just stop find another book then force yourself to read crap. but sometmes, i can read books if i skip enough lol. oh and example of this IS  空中ブランコ by  奥田 英朗. I was actually looking forward to it b.c. i saw peeople on chiebukuro asking ilike this author, recommend me authors and he was brought up.  this one just was not working at alllllll…. the byousha and the dialogue. reading the summary on the whatevresite about the case in one of the chapters sounded interesting but actually reading it was just no… it was so bad that even though i did read the dialogue only, that didn’t work. i really really just cannot stand it…  reading it is just ughhhhhhhhhhhh. the people who liked this on amazon, said it was funny and easy to read.  i did find negative reviews that said  this crap is boring wtf is this shit with the 5 stars on amazon. so THAT’S also another thing you can do withbooks is to read revies of books you didn’t enjoy and find someone’s really good explananation of the suckage fest that you just experienced. that’s one way to stop yourself from forcing yourself to read the book. p.s. the anime just looks awful… like trying too hard to be bizarre/not funny. If i don’t like the book I probably will not like the anime. I LOVED zetsubou sensei SEASON 1 though. I also thought if i was raised in japan and i only spoke japanese and i read this book b.c. it was really popularor praised or won awards or whateveri w i  would still react the same way . the only difference is i would be able to explain my frustration and dissatisfaction towards the book in japanese better b.c. my japanese would be better if i only know japanese lol.

ON THE OTHER HAND, if i read a book by an author that i’m compatible with it makes me think “wow I never knew reading /reading japnaese could be so enjoyable or be this interesting or this rewarding or that japanese could sound like this or sound this beautiful  etc etc” . Of course, I like/enjoy reading every word including the byousha.

these 2 types of reading experiences are COMPLETELY different. I really encourage people to not fall into the trap of well i’m gonna stick with this author/book since my japanese abilites are too shitty to gauge whether this book’s writing style is compatible with me. you don’t have to understand 100% or 90% or whatever to tell if reading the book is tortorous or not lol. i mean it’s another story if you just finished tae kim’s grammar guide and you want to start reading novels lol.  here, maybe the difficulty thing will come into play. or maybe you could read books for jidou that are so well written that even adults can enjoy it (they do exist).  TREAT IT LIKE ENGLISH OR WHATEVER language that is your native language.

speaking of books… something I read somethingvery recently that was SO SO SO ENJOYABLE. so it’s the first story in the book by otsuichi called ushinahareta mono (how do you read the ha ? it it wa?) but wow that story started off ehhh … this crazy bitch then i got so curious as to what will happen next. and to top it off i don’t think it was difficult to read (otsuichi’s writing /vocab is usually not difficult) so i really recommmmmmmend it. don’t google the story, read it !!  I recommend reading this book OVER watching the toki wo kakeru shoujo live-action movie. you’ll know why after you read the book. While I was reading the book I just thought about hollywood … how they look down on the audience a LOT. like they think the CG is going to make the scene exciting/movie not sucky/ make us ignore the plot-holes/lack of plot/crappy writing etc. this one story in this book gave me more excitement then the crappy action scenes in hollywood movies AND AND it didn’t take me 2+ nor 3+ hours (seriously, i don’t mind if it’s long if you were actually accomplishing something) to read the story. news flash!! actions scenes aren’t exiciting/adrenaline-pushing etc if the plot/characters suck. why the hell would i care about the action scene. and if you make a character at the end of the movie cry even though you failed to develop the character/let the audience know something about the character, we can’t care! (zero dark thirty- wow this movie SUCKS. shitty writing. really boring. PLUS i don’t believe 9/11 was done by osama bin laden. i believe in the conspiracy theories b.c. that shit is based on real facts. the truth is you look more crazy believing the cover-story the government churned out…. if you just look at the math/science/facts… i) … so i was surprised they made this movie in the first place b.c. it’s so obvious it’s not even true. and the fact that all these americans paid to see the piece of crap…… just proves americans are dumb once again. people are all like focused on the pro-torture crap when the bigger issue is whether this shit actually happened in the first place or what/who was behind 9/11…   I half feel like the government is like trying to gauge how many americnas are still asleep… as in unaware of the fact that 9/11 was set-up as the evidence/math/experts point out ……

ANYWAYS speaking of toki wo kakeru wo shoujo the live action movie. japanese MOVIES. I have yet to see a good japanese movie (movie with actors/actresses). they are always shitty or mediocre. the japanes people on the internet lament about the shittiness of japanese movies compared to hollywood movies.  So I’ve seen the anime movie, it’s good … although albeit slow in the beginning (or maybe it’s necessary for developmenet, i don’t kno) . the live-action film sorta exudes characteristics of sucky japanese movies.  so basically the sucky ones i’ve seen always are boring and slow… then at the end they do something but the emotional impact/etc/etc is super diluted bc they waste the time in the beginning of the movie… when they could be using that time to actually develop characters/give us more info/background instead of just boring us to death with accomplishing nothing.  they always just do really boring shit that accomplishes nothing when something could be done to make the movie more fun to watch and make the climax or whatever better. so toki wo kakeru shoujo live-action exudes that basically. the climax or twist or whatever isn’t even exciting… partly b.c. of the twist itself as well as everything that happened or didn’t happen up to that point. there’s parts where i want to know more but they don’t really let me know more about it. Japanese movies just feel SOOOS SOOO wasteful b.c. they show scenes where there’s like nothing happppppening.  BUT BUT BUT I am not giving up on finding a good japanese movie. I’m going to check out the must watch stuff from HAMSAPSUKEBE BLOG. I still have hope. I don’t want to write off japanese movies as crap just b.c. all the movies i’ve seen thus far aren’t very good.  I haven’t seen that many anyway. OH and I don’t like hollywood movies of course.. especially the ones out now-a-days. first of all, none of the previews makes me want to watch it, they nominate average actors/actresses for best actors/actresses which makes me want to watch that movie even more, and i don’t want to watch boring indie movies (I just associate boring with indie movies. but i’m sure there’s good ones out there) , super hero movies except spiderman are  AWful (writing/action/– to me the action is terrible b.c. the story /characters are terrible. etc). seriously, avengers was just awful from every point of view… very  boring.

So even if your reason for Japanese is shitty from someone’s pov… there’s like a 100% chance you’ll find more reasons which will justify your learning. it’s inevitable since more japanese stuff will be accessible as you learn japanese (ie you found out about the existence of rakugo , ikebana, kannou shousetsu lol etc etc. ). basically the question is paradoxical you can’t really known till you actually do it like for a while. that’s why i recommend keepping it a secret lol. unles kepeing it a escret is impossssssbiel for whatever circumstances you are in.

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